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我覺得心理質素最重要,由於工作關係,每星期只跑得10-20k,以4:45完成全馬

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原帖由 oscar 於 2009-5-29 23:04 發表

咁你都要祝埋我好運先得架!


唔好玩喇…我走得到個全馬無事就真係好運喇…

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全馬尾段要調節心理質素,到32K後,心中唔好順住數K數,要改為倒數,10K、9K、8K、7K....................,這樣鬥志會提升,精神D。

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我由於工作關係,每星期只跑得20-30k,以4:0x完成全馬 2009SCM.

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    發表於 2009-7-26 11:38:54 | 只看該作者
    多謝!
    所以有條件既話, 每日最少跑14KM, 咁就唔會有太大問題啦

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    發表於 2009-8-12 13:39:52 | 只看該作者
    原帖由 華哥 於 2009-5-25 18:55 發表
    A級跑手情況就不太好了,平均每日的里數是10公里, [ 崩潰點 ] 就是31公里, 大部分跑手就在這時撞 [ 牆 ]. 我們應該怎樣做呢? 當然, 最理想的方法就是加強訓練,將 [ 崩潰點 ] 推後. 由於A級跑手並沒有受足夠的訓練, ...


    很同意

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    原帖由 onionufo 於 2009-5-25 21:32 發表
    我聽講撞牆是因為糖原基本消耗完畢,脂肪同蛋白質參與供能的比例突然大大增加,但後者的供能效率較低,所以會令你突然產生果種感覺。
    所以撞牆唔代表無能量,只要你有意志係完全可以繼續跑落去。


    我覺得如果只是用完糖的話,問題會是很容易解決,只需要吃Gel就行.但差不多每個跑手都有吃Gel而仍然有很多人撞墻,可見得缺糖並不是唯一的問題.

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    原帖由 laputa99 於 2009-5-26 16:15 發表
    多謝ching資料,但如果一個練平均70公里a week ,有練長課35km-40km每week一次,
    他其實間接跑了一次全馬,皮膚肌肉有記億, 會不會無撞牆出現?? hgjD088" />" />hj


    恕我直言,這個計劃恐怕不好.現在的訓練,都不會叫跑手跑長課超過每週里數的三分之一.一週70公里的話,長課不宜超過21公里,一次半次的25公里還可以,跑到40公里的長課就非常不好了.

    若只能每週練70公里,可能要調低目標,否則撞墻的機會會很高的.

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    發表於 2009-8-12 14:16:41 | 只看該作者
    同意George#32的說法,小弟自09全馬後只間中跑一跑,至今年7月才開始認真練習。但練習十多K也在6-8K有撞墻情況,這跟glucose/energy level 看來沒有關系,只有每週總里數可解釋。

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    發表於 2009-8-12 18:00:49 | 只看該作者
    多謝師兄分享~~

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    發表於 2009-8-12 22:03:35 | 只看該作者
    thank you for sharing!

    如果唔係咁計較速度, 會唔會冇咁早撞?
    http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon.html
    以樓主方法計, 呢個plan 14k 以內hit the wall (粗略計)

    我仲見過d program, racing day 前唔會有超過32k課.
    http://www.halhigdon.com/marathon/Mar00novice.htm

    我係beginner (one HM only),會搵d 懶散d 既plan睇下. 據講係近年為左d好多野忙既人第一次full marathon design既plan. 強調"under-train" "減少受傷""享受比賽", 當然只以"完成"為目的,同埋好多其他野配合(飲食,休息).可能只可以係sub 5
    各位點睇? (我想報2010渣打全馬, aim at 4hr30min,又怕唔夠時間練, 09 charter half marathon: 我2hr17min)

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    原帖由 WalkBreaks 於 2009-8-12 22:03 發表
    thank you for sharing!

    如果唔係咁計較速度, 會唔會冇咁早撞?
    http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon.html
    以樓主方法計, 呢個plan 14k 以內hit the wall (粗略計)

    我仲見過d program, racing  ...


    對,如果只是想完成,用Gallowalking方法,不在乎速度,跑慢一些,撞墻機會應該會低很多,是不錯的選擇.

    [ 本帖最後由 佐治男孩 於 2009-8-12 22:53 編輯 ]

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    發表於 2009-8-14 12:43:55 | 只看該作者
    多謝分享,就跑步里數、撞牆點和完成時間,這套理論講得很準。不過除了跑步里數外,intensity也是要考慮的地方。最近在跑步雜誌Runner's World看了這則,在此分享:
    Kilometres for marathons

    CONVENTIONAL THINKING(一般看法):You have to put in lots of kilometres to run a good marathon.

    UNCOMMON WISDOM:You can run minimal mileage and still hit a time goal.

    MOST MARATHON-TRAINING SCHEDULES REQUIRE running five or six days per week, with total mileage (每星期里數) of 64 to 96 kilometres. Two successful training wizards think that's too much for many runners.

    The marathon training program developed by Olympian Jeff Galloway recommends that not only beginners, but also faster marathoners, run just three to four days a week. Weekly mileage peaks at 50 to 66 kilometres, depending on your goal time. Galloway reports that 99 per cent of his plan participants reach the finish line. Bill Pierce's FIRST Training Program similarly mandates only three weekly running days, with a high-mileage week of 51 to 56 kilometres. More than two-thirds of the runner who've been tracked doing that program recorded personal bests.

    "Our program doesn't only work for slower runners," says Galloway. "I've had runners break three hours on three runs a week who told me they couldn't do it when they ran more often." The signature features of his program are regular walk breaks and a very long run/walk, which peaks at 42 to 46 kilometres. The FIRST program emphasises faster running- speed-work, a tempo run, and a faster long run - on three running days, plus two cross-training days. "The philosophy is that intensity is the primary factor needed to improve fitness," says Pierce. "Many runners have reported success with the FIRST program after repeated failures with high-mileage programs - and they find it easier to fit just three runs into their busy lives."

    SHOULD YOU TRY IT?
    Less-is-more program seem well suited for overbooked or injury-prone runners. Studies and surveys of marathoners have validated this approach by finding little correlation between weekly mileage and marathon performance(跑步里數和馬拉松成績並不成正比), especially for novices (初學者). but a high correlation between high mileage and injury frequency (高跑步里數和傷患頻率卻成正比).

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    發表於 2009-8-14 12:50:02 | 只看該作者
    所以訓練里數低未必會撞牆。反之,未必每個跑者在身體上或時間上都能夠跑到100+km 一星期,勉力去跑只會徒然增加傷患機率。

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    原帖由 michaelyw 於 2009-8-14 12:43 發表
    多謝分享,就跑步里數、撞牆點和完成時間,這套理論講得很準。不過除了跑步里數外,intensity也是要考慮的地方。最近在跑步雜誌Runner's World看了這則,在此分享:
    Kilometres for marathons

    CONVENTIONAL THI ...


    This topic has been discussed in many online boards among very experienced runners in the US.  Basically, most experienced and fast runners agree that a person who has the potential to run 2:30, can certainly reach a goal of, e.g. BQ at 3:10, by using a low mileage program like FIRST.

    But there is not a chance any runner can hit his or her true potential using FIRST.  Not everyone needs to run 100+ miles/week like the pros, but running 30-40 miles will definitely not allow you to run up to what your potential is.  If you are very talented, sure, you can still run a very good time.  But you could run a lot faster, if you have the right training.
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